Elizabeth Gilbert : Well, all that stuff is just... Hurst : People have always been fascinated by the stars, they chartered their movements. And so someone brought me the article about it, and I remember reading it and reading his last words and just going, "Huh?," but not really registering it. The 2021 Oscar Nominations Are Finally Here To Celebrate A Year O... the real Elizabeth Gilbert (pictured above). There wasn't nothing that he was saying that was not what I was reading in the court transcript, and in fact, I didn't really get anything more from his interview than I did from having read the material. They could tell when Mercury was retrograde or … The Oscars Nominations Made History At Least 9 Times This Year. The universe was like, "Oh, you don't have to watch this." A red flag to me was Johnny Webb. As the. That was too hard to bear. You can read a selection of his letters to her here. I couldn't imagine the effect it would have on a person 24 hours a day. One of the most fascinating yet heartbreaking events in America’s legal system history is brought to the … It Was A Banner Year For Asian Representation. Where was I going to go? FRONTLINE reports from Iraq on the miscalculations and mistakes behind the brutal rise of ISIS. He told me that the first time; he said, "I was a horrible husband, but I love my children." You could show him an alternative, but he was still going to stick by his particular view. He didn't convince me that Todd was guilty either. Things go badly for almost everyone involved and then some. There was this disconnect between this person that I'm reading in the court records, the prosecutor's statements, and this person that I'm learning about. Had I been sitting on the jury, I couldn't have bought his testimony. ... You did promise Todd that you would attend his execution. There were moments I wished for clarity of him looking more clearly innocent. So that kind of worried me. Funny, caring. Trial by Fire (I) (2018) R | 127 min | Biography, Drama. But supposedly it was smoke-filled; he couldn't see. In the wake of the murder of six Asian women in Atlanta, why do we talk about representation like it’s the solution to racism? I just wasn't impressed with David Martin. There's a writer in me that's like, ... this is a great story. He was very grateful. The Movies You Love Are Streaming Every Week With Refinery29 With... Voldemort Actor Doesn’t Understand Backlash Against J.K. Ro... What Happened To The 33 Parents Involved In. ...]. What was I going to do? But to me [she] was just like, "Oh, sure, I'll meet you; I'll tell you this is the truth." He wakes up, gets them out of their crib, the twins, gives them a bottle on the floor. Entries that are unsigned or are "signed" by someone other than the actual author will be removed. You must have been on your guard. … In his mind, he couldn't acknowledge that he didn't try to save his children, so he concocted the story that he tried to go in and find the babies and couldn't. When [Willingham's] last letter was read to me in the hospital by my daughter, my mind didn't take any information because my body was demanding so much," she explains. In anyone's life there are inconsistencies, and Todd's certainly had plenty of those: abusive husband but loved the children; says he loves his wife but having affairs. It was very polite; it was very kind. So then I became more intrigued, and we began a correspondence, and I began visiting. Trial by Fire is on UK DVD/Digital from December 7th. He loved his family; that was always consistent. If he thought something, it was one way. I would not have denied him that, but the accident kept me from being there. He ran out of the house and couldn't run back in to save his children, and that was enough to get me interested. His father was a mechanic, and Todd was a mechanic. I sensed this very pained individual. This was kind of after my conversation with [fire science expert] Gerald Hurst. He couldn't acknowledge: "I got up, I ran out of the house, I didn't save my children." We reserve the right to not post comments that are more than 400 words. Even if I was asleep I would have woken up and saved my children." Web Site Copyright ©1995-2014 WGBH Educational Foundation, “If he was guilty of anything, it was self-preservation. What did he tell you?]. There was just too much going on in my life, like, how was I going to live? But I got a sense of this being a very small Texas town, where politics were very important, and at the time [John] Jackson was running for judge, and he was the prosecution, so there were lots of reasons to find someone and get them convicted. Convinced of his innocence, Elizabeth Gilbert (Laura Dern) spends 12 years fighting for Willingham's release. I think how badly things can go wrong in our judicial system. Just having walked into a prison environment, sat there for two hours, the effect that it had on me. Sitting in a chair that long, driving to Huntsville just wouldn't have happened. I went up to Austin first and got the records of the trial. The idea that a prisoner would confess to a complete stranger that he had committed a crime -- I just didn't buy that. It's something I know. But the fireman said, "You never know what's going to happen unless you're in there.". They don't know who started the fire, but conveniently, the man who's in jail for drugs [and is sharing a cell with Willingham] says that Todd told him he was the one who did it. I was [visiting] … New York to see my new grandson. He got up and ran out of the house and then thought about the children after the fact. ... Todd's mother had several children by different fathers, and Todd had been abandoned in California. ... She really convinced me that she felt that an injustice had been done. Death by Fire home page / watch online In the past two years since authorities (and the public) learned about a decade-long college admissions bribery scheme, we’ve watched high-profile partic, Here are some things I associate with New York City in the summer: Hot garbage smells mixed with the smoke from a nearby hot dog cart; the almost ethereal, The 93rd Academy Award nominations are here, and they are historic. He enjoyed getting away with things. They never established a motive. Tell me what they told you. Trial by Fire is the true-life Texas story of the unlikely bond between an imprisoned death row inmate (Jack O'Connell – Money Monster, Unbroken) and a mother of two from Houston (Laura Dern – Big Little Lies, Wild) who, though facing staggering odds, fights mightily for his freedom. In your opinion, what happened? ISIS' growing foothold in Afghanistan is captured on film. The house is burning down; your kids are inside; you're running around -- what do you do? [I'm just trying to envision what it was like to be interacting with Todd. And what they looked at were posters on the wall, which were the typical posters that young men listen to, the heavy metal; that he smoked pot; that he had this horrible past of crime, which turned out to be shoplifting and a bicycle. I was no Joan of Arc, making him my cause. Well, it’s mostly a true story. When I read the article [in The New Yorker] by David Grann, I was very struck by people responding to the article, of people thinking I was such a hero and what a wonderful person I was, and I didn't feel that at all. For example, they would always say, "Well, his prior criminal record was shoplifting." This unlikely friendship between Gilbert and Willingham provides the heartbeat of Trial by Fire, the new film from director Edward Zwick. … She didn't feel like he was capable of doing that. Stacy came in, and I felt that she was very genuine, and I think this was the first time she had really talked to anybody outside [of the official investigation]. So there's more of a personal connection in my sense of wanting to help him out. [My friend and I] decided, we'll go to Corsicana, and we'll see what the people in Corsicana say. I promised Todd that I would attend the execution. Can you start from the very beginning with your involvement with Todd? But there weren't enough clearly defining moments of guilt for me that I could say, "Oh, I think you did this.". And that kind of took me aback, and I thought, does he think I'm in love with him, or does he really think Todd is a sociopath that could really wreak havoc in the community if he got out? She says speaking to Dern and the film's creators "became an opportunity for me to do the grieving and I hadn't been able to do. She's a playwright from Houston, Texas, who first began questioning Cameron Todd Willingham's conviction while corresponding with him between 1999 and 2004. That emotion was partially because of the scale, and also due to the fact that the movie helped her process her loss, years after Willingham was executed. Questions like that. I think the big thing, his big secret he was carrying was the guilt. By submitting comments here, you are consenting to these rules: And right now I'm with one of my plays, I'm trying to turn it into a screenplay, but the process of writing is very different because I used to type quickly and I can't do that now with my hands," she explains. "I had a traumatic spinal cord injury, so it took seven years before I could even function on my own. You are fully responsible for your comments. Can you describe your meeting with Stacy? Readers' comments that include profanity, obscenity, personal attacks, harassment, or are defamatory, sexist, racist, violate a third party's right to privacy, or are otherwise inappropriate, will be removed. He never said anything like that. … In reading the records, though, if I remember correctly, it was the little girl [Buffie, called "Barbara" in Willingham's police interview] that Todd sent for help, because Todd didn't have a phone. At the time of her sentencing, the judge said he wanted to make sure Sarra never … The four-hour runtime and mercilessly detailed storyline invo, It’s been just over two years since the FBI publicized its Operation Varsity Blues investigation into William “Rick” Singer, a “college admissions. He wasn't talking about how Todd was an innocent man that got railroaded; it was like, "Todd got convicted, and he deserved it." I'm sure I would have been there. So I began corresponding and visiting with him, ... and the more I learned, the more I became intrigued and began to think that maybe there was something to his -- he said that he was innocent, and I thought I would try and help him. He was a caring individual." We go into this room, and there were these men behind these Plexiglas screens and people sitting down and talking on phones. But beyond her personal recovery, Gilbert says she's grateful that her overall goal — after getting Willingham off death row — has been accomplished thanks to, "When the movie's over, I'm very grateful because my whole point when I met Todd and I became convinced that there was something wrong with his trial, my goal was to write a play and get the attention to his case.". …, I feel like I was very much appreciated for what I was doing. So then their motive shifted to Todd just being an evil person. I'm in copying these records. ... Now, I will say I think they executed an innocent man. He wasn't a monster. ... Can you tell me how he described his children and his relationship with them to you? So that was the sort of crime he was capable of doing. I volunteered. It just wasn't making sense to me. ", She's also done some physical healing to match her emotional recovery. Trial By Fire is an incredibly sad, harrowing movie. What is the truth here from all the craziness and information you gathered? Financial analysis of Trial by Fire (2019) including budget, domestic and international box office gross, ... During his 12 years on death row, Elizabeth Gilbert, an improbable ally, uncovers questionable methods and illogical conclusions in his case, and battles with the state to … Even though we didn't have the success we wanted.". Someone asked me if I would like to write a man on death row, be a pen pal, and I was like, sure. He had stolen a camera or something, or, when he was underage, a bicycle. When it seemed like I was going to really have to be there at Todd's execution, I don't think I could have done it. But every question I had, Todd had an answer for. I think they met when she was still in high school, and he had this -- in fact, he would talk about this -- this macho idea of what a man was. What I think happened was, Todd was asleep in bed, and Stacy gets up and decides to go to the store to get the Christmas gifts and says, "I'm leaving the kids," and goes out the door. And she seemed kind of reserved, nervous, just a person who had a lot of tragedy in her life. ... After the conviction, and after Todd was on death row, Stacy decided to get a divorce. The Snyder Cut of Warner Bros.’ Justice League is a stupefying journey. Laura Dern plays Elizabeth Gilbert, who learned of Willingham's trial and advocated for him, insisting he never got the fair trial he deserved. If Todd was guilty of anything, it was just his self-preservation. Emily Meade as Stacey in "Trial By Fire." Jack O'Connell talks about making the film 'Trial by Fire', working with Laura Dern, getting ready to work with Colin Farrell, and more. So that kind of struck me. ... [Didn't it give you any pause that his own defense attorney didn't believe him?]. David Grann's September 2009 investigation in The New Yorker catapulted Willingham's case into the national spotlight. I was just really appalled, and I really kept quiet until I saw the governor [Rick Perry] get on and repeat the same words that the prosecution had used in the penalty phase: that he was a monster. Describe him from the perspective of people who thought he killed his children. When it comes down to it, we need to do what we need to do, which is to save ourselves. The Academy of Motion Pictures Arts and Sciences saw at least nine firsts on Monday mor, Remember the song, “Bored in the house and I’m in the house bored?” It recently turned one years old as the world marked the first annive, As many fans may already know, Tom Holland’s new film, Cherry, is based on a true story. I've read, too, that under trauma, that you have this ability to kind of disconnect from the experience. She is assigned Willingham. He was like, "Go talk to my brother," or, "Go talk to my parents," or, "Go talk to my friends," or, "This person will tell you that." What's going on?" Once I got to know him as a friend, I felt that injustice was being done, and I wanted to help him out then. There were lots of foggy areas that bothered me. I was just really struck by the letter from Todd. ... His personal relationship with Stacy was horrible. ... [What happened as your investigation continued?]. But I could see how to women he could be a very charming, good-looking guy, especially when he was younger. She didn't visit him on death row. I think I began to distance myself. ... Todd was more of -- we were kind of both rule breakers. … So when his defense attorney said that, then I was like, "Whoa, you're the defense attorney, and this is how you feel about your client? But that was one of the things that when I read that, like: "Oh, why did you try and save your car? You went in for the evidence; you met him; you liked him; you believed his story; and you may not have found the story you wanted to find? I told her I was a writer; I'm from Houston. What do you say to people who say: Liz, you're a liberal; you went searching just as hard as the other side went searching for the evidence they wanted to find, which was to make Todd a guilty man. We will take steps to block users who repeatedly violate our commenting rules, terms of use, or privacy policies. ... [Let's go to the day you meet Todd. Trial By Fire tells the story of Cameron Todd Willingham (Jack O’Connell from Unbroken and ’ 71 ), a Texas man whose three young daughters were killed by a fire in December of 1991. I came back from that first visit with just an awareness of, how does someone endure that sort of a situation, guilty or not? I'm reading these reports. He's hired to come in and to make sure they get the death penalty by assuring the jury that this person just has to be removed from society. The tragic and controversial story of Cameron Todd Willingham, who was executed in Texas for killing his three children after scientific evidence and expert testimony that bolstered his claims of … I really don't know what that was about. This is the edited transcript of an interview conducted on Jan. 14, 2010. But everyone knew it was a fire that was intentionally set; that was a given. ... We just started meeting people and talking to them, and the more I heard the stories, the more red flags kept popping up. …. The film stars Jack O'Connell as Cameron Todd Willingham and features Laura Dern, Emily Meade, Jeff Perry and Jade Pettyjohn in supporting roles. He did tell me the story of what happened, and I remember just hearing him tell the story, and it was just very tragic, and being very moved that this person could have lost his three children and his wife and his life and be innocent. So it seemed like her life had been filled with tragedy, ... and she seemed genuinely to feel Todd had not done this. Laura Dern's New Film Takes on an Old Problem: The Death Penalty In "Trial By Fire," Dern plays Elizabeth Gilbert, a playwright who tried to stop the execution of a Texas father, Cameron Todd Willlingham. ... She had been a reporter, and she was like, "Let's go investigate it." Trial By Fire is an uncompromising look at the humanity of two people, as well as an uninhibited indictment of the criminal justice system, especially in Texas, a state infamous for the number of incarcerated people who have been executed there. … They were very adamant that Todd was not trying to save the children, that he was faking that he was upset. He never denied it. Interview Elizabeth Gilbert She's a playwright from Houston, Texas, who first began questioning Cameron Todd Willingham's conviction while corresponding with him between 1999 and 2004. "The [process of] making of the movie and rereading his letters and actually hearing the real words from his last letter to me [made me realize] I was the right person at the right time. The kids start crying. There were too many other personal things going on at the time. Instead, she ended up revealing some of her deepest secrets. ... We met with people who were personally part of it: [the Willinghams' neighbors] the Barbees; Stacy's grandmother, who raised her; Stacy; [Willingham's lawyer,] David Martin; the prosecution -- and of course they were all on the same book -- Todd did this, ... he was a horrible person -- except for Stacy. The name that was given to me, just randomly, was Todd Willingham. I think I was. [Tell me about your interview with Willingham's defense attorney, David Martin. The whole community shifted from compassion to hostility. One of the most compelling and indomitable characters I encountered was Elizabeth Gilbert, who was a subject of my New Yorker story “ Trial by Fire,” about the execution of … I was looking for something new and different. "When I went to the festival in Telluride [where the film first premiered], and I actually saw the movie for the first time sitting in a theater with an audience, I got really caught up in the emotion of it," she tells Refinery29 via phone. It would have been a horrible thing, but I'm sure I would have gone. I asked Todd about that, and he said, "In my mind, it was I get the car away from the fire," and I attributed that to any rational behavior that anyone could have in a fire. I have a good friend, who was my neighbor at the time, and I told her about it. ... And here was this handsome young white man who was very polite and very genial, ... who told me his story and thanked me, very appreciative about the visit. He was just very polite and very charming, ... like, "How are you?," a lot of concern for me as a person. [When] I interviewed him, he was a very, very nervous young man. Now What? Still, new process and all, she hopes to continue her craft. [The first time I visited him,] I walked in expecting to see a black man, the whole stereotype. I felt that I was very needed by him, that he admitted that he had been extremely depressed, and then when my name came up and we became friends, he felt like he had a new opportunity for life, a possibility. ... [The] Johnny Webb incident came up, and it was like, ... they had the arson investigators' report saying it was an arson. Cherry was adapted from a. And that didn't make [any] sense to me. It happened so quickly that I tried to put my foot on the brake, but I didn't even get there, and we just impacted. …. ... All it took was one person saying that this was a deliberately set fire, and then a whole chain of information became malevolent. But I think he and I both shared that. But to me, I would kind of imagine [how] when I was teaching middle school, you would always have that kid who was wily and smart in the back of the room, that he would be doing something wrong and get away with it. He was a witty man, you know? Things go badly for almost everyone involved and then some. 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